In case you missed it, I was recently interviewed by the amazing Annette Naif on her “Turn of Events” show. The main topic we chatted about was the Clubhouse app.

Topics we covered in this episode were:

𝙒𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝘾𝙡𝙪𝙗𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙤𝙘𝙞𝙖𝙡 𝙖𝙪𝙙𝙞𝙤 𝙞𝙨
𝙒𝙝𝙮 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙨𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙘𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝘾𝙡𝙪𝙗𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙚
𝙒𝙝𝙤 𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝘾𝙡𝙪𝙗𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙚
𝙃𝙤𝙬 𝘾𝙡𝙪𝙗𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨  
𝙃𝙤𝙬 𝙩𝙤 𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝘾𝙡𝙪𝙗𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙜𝙧𝙤𝙬 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙗𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨𝙨  
𝘽𝙚𝙨𝙩 𝙥𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙞𝙘𝙚𝙨 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝘾𝙡𝙪𝙗𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙚

If you would like to learn more about using the Clubhouse app and how to work on your personal brand then contact us today!

Full Transcipt

Annette Naif (00:01):

Hey everyone. How’s everyone doing welcome back to a turn of events where we help put a positive spin on the future of your business. I’m a net, Nate’s the CEO and creative director of Naif productions. We are a strategic that production company based in New York city. We specialize in corporate social, nonprofit, and weddings. If you are looking to host an event, a party, a gala, or retreats, an offsite, I mean, you name it. We can help you with it. Contact us. We’re doing virtual hybrid and live. So we can talk to you about all of that. We can consult with you. We can help you find a venue and we’ll do all the negotiating. We’re very good with that. If you just want to do full production or just a piece of it, we’re helping, we can help with any of that. We can consult as well.

Annette Naif (00:49):

So reach out events and they If you want to talk about events, if you are a wedding or event planner, and you are looking to start your own business, or you’re struggling in your current business, which many are at this point, we’ve been very lucky to, you know, pivot in this crazy, crazy pandemic that’s been going on. So I’m here to help you create a business of your dreams or help you with the business that you’re currently have. And you’re struggling go to my Facebook group, which is the event plan. It’s a bet planner society event, planner society go to the Facebook group, join us there. Lots of great, great stuff going on. I give so many tips. I share my 30 years of experience. So I’d love to see you there. Okay. My next guest is one of my dearest friends and he, we’re going to talk about clubhouse clubhouse and how to use clubhouse to for your business.

Annette Naif (01:43):

Right? So how do you do that? All right. So first of all, I want to introduce him. He is the CEO of Rock It Growth agency. Chris is a personal brand coach that helps create a business owners, build a rock star brand so they can get noticed, feel confident and bring in more clients. He was the co-founder and co-owner of gray sky films, a video production agency that he started back in 2000 and grew it to, into a seven figure company. And then successfully exited in 2020, which is a crazy thing to exit. And then start a whole new thing over, which I think many people have done. Chris has over 20. He has over 20 years of experience working with fortune 100 and 500 companies and marketing advertising agencies. He’s the host of rocket live streaming show and podcasts. And co-host of the galaxy of geeks. My dear friend, Chris.

Chris Vaglio (02:43):

Hey, what’s up? I’m so happy to be here. This is great.

Annette Naif (02:47):

Well, I’m excited that you’re here. You’re here. Yes. We’re going to talk about using clubhouse to boost your business and mess that up in the beginning, but I wanted to share that I got that out. Okay. So did I miss anything? Do you want to talk about anything? I mean like as far as where, how you got to where you’re at and all of that.

Chris Vaglio (03:07):

Wow. So you know, I know everybody who’s tuning in right now wants to hear about clubhouse. So I’ll give a very, very quick condensed version of where I was and now I got here. So I mean much, like you just said, I I started a production company with, with my best friend for out of college and we, we grew this business. We poured everything we had into it. Our heart and soul told all blood, sweat and tears, tons of passion. And I, I regret nothing is an amazing company. I’m so proud of. We built together. And for me personally, I just came to a point in my life where I felt like I achieved all the things I wanted to achieve there. And I just, I felt an urge, a passion to, to do something different. And I, and I wanted to follow that through and really decided to take a new journey in life.

Chris Vaglio (03:51):

And so that new journey for me was rocket growth agency. And really beginning to focus in on the thing that I’ve been doing for many years, which is, which is helping people and helping people on the side to help them with, with their, with their problems. And when it comes to standing out or, you know, feeling a lot more confident about themselves and, you know, just getting noticed that their networking, their relationships. And it just became the thing that like, you know what I think I want to do this all the time. And so, yeah, I made that decision. I, and I exited the company and, and and so my business partner, my ex-business partner at this point, but we’re still really, really close friends. Grace Guy is still very much alive, so he’s keep our legacy going, which I’m so proud of and so happy to have been a part of and they helped grow.

Chris Vaglio (04:36):

But yeah, my focus now is, is growing this, this new company I’m really excited. I mean, I’m so happy and this is, this is just been a, it’s a dream come true is, is, is creating this company. Yeah. It’s a little crazy to like leave something and then start something new in the middle of a pandemic. But, you know, I mean, I guess it’s one of those things, like when is ever a good time. So you know, I, I decided to do it and here I am thought following it through. So I’m really psyched to, to have you know, creating a great a rocket.

Annette Naif (05:03):

Yeah. And I’m super proud of you. Cause I know that’s a big, big decision and but I know whatever you do, you’re gonna rock it. Right. Right. Exactly. Okay. All right. So let’s talk, we’re going to talk clubhouse, what is clubhouse and what is social?

Chris Vaglio (05:23):

Right. So great question. And so I think for most of the people that are probably listening to this you’re in business, or you’re a solopreneur or you’re in freelance or, you know, or you’re just interested in, in, in maybe starting a business. So clubhouse is probably something that you’ve heard, especially if you’ve been active on LinkedIn and other social platforms. And it clubhouse has been, I think that thing of like FOMO for a lot of people, like, what is it, what is it about? And for the people that have been on it, like they’ve already had the experience of it. And so clubhouse is an app and it’s not like it just started yesterday. It was released last year. And, and a weird thing about it too, is the app is still in this like beta stage thing, which is crazy considering how fast it’s grown, but you’ll hear them talk about it.

Chris Vaglio (06:07):

It’s still in beta, it’s nuts, but it was originally only open to iPhone users. That’s now as of this past weekend it’s now open to Android users now, too, which is great. So now more people can come onto the app and it’s not just as an exclusive iPhone party type of thing, but really what it is, is the best way. I think for me to describe it as it’s a mashup of a conference calling mixed in with like the party chat from back in the day mixed in with it’s almost like being, so you you’ll, you’ll appreciate this. Now. It’s almost like being at a virtual conference at a conference and you can pop into these other rooms these, these different rooms that are on these different topics, whatever, you know, whatever they may be. I mean, they can range from learning how to grow your business more to learning about cannabis marketing, to talking about what’s going on in the NFL to, I mean, it literally any topic imaginable, there’s a room going on for.

Chris Vaglio (07:07):

And so the social audio side of things, what is social audio is because clubhouse is an audio based, only app. There’s no video. So it’s not like zoom or anything like that. So you could literally like be still in your bed, in your pajamas and be totally active in, in a room talking to people, sharing, like whatever it is you want to share about. And it gives you the ability to connect, to build relationships, to follow each other. And then, you know, as always right, taking those relationships off the app. So connecting on LinkedIn or through Instagram or Twitter or wherever, and then taking it to the next level. So it gives you the ability to talk, to meet people to also listen. So it also mixes in that bit of like podcasting, where you’re listening in on these conversations, it’s like kind of being at a dinner party for like 20 and 25 people. And you can listen in or you can participate. And that’s the cool thing about it is so you can almost treat it like you’re listening to like your favorite radio stations, like podcasts of these live rooms that are going on and people are having these interactions with each other that you get to hear it on.

Annette Naif (08:11):

Right? Yeah. It’s also a group of people that you would never really connect with because I feel like no lots of famous people have been jumping into this. And I, when it first, like, you know, a year ago, in fact, I think you’re the one that got me connected to it last year. So you have to have a sponsor that brings you so you can get on a wait list,

Chris Vaglio (08:35):

But if someone’s on it, they can invite you. And you, you, you jump, you jump in, you, you jumped past the lenders. No, wait, you’re just there. Yeah.

Annette Naif (08:42):

Right. So I have like, and then they, as you’re on for a while, you get invites that you can invite people to, Oh, you invited me a while ago. So I’ve been on and I haven’t been on that much because you know, busy girls. So it’s kind of a bad excuse because it’s, I think it’s a great place to really network. And I’ve been on, I’ve done some, some I’ve seen you, I’ve seen you on a couple of things, but I have, but I’m also in a group that you’re in on a WhatsApp and man guys are active. I’m just happened to be thrown into the group because I’m friends with a lot of people that are in the group. Yes. I don’t participate as much, but I do watch and I feel guilty every time I look when I shared that I will, the guilt will take over and ELA, but I like to watch what you guys are doing and how that all that’s working. So well, why should I care about clubhouse?

Chris Vaglio (09:40):

So the reason why you should care about clubhouse. And I know the first thing a lot of people say is, Oh my God, the last thing I need is another fricking app in my life. That’s going to take up all my time and I’m going to be a thousand percent honest with you. Clubhouse absolutely can be a time suck like any of the other apps. Right. So, I mean, I will say me personally, when I first got involved in clubhouse, I was on the app a lot, way more than I probably should have, but it was fun. It’s new, you’re learning it. You’re meeting people like left and right. So it’s, it’s great. And it’s other cool things. That’s not just a us platform. This is global. So you’re meeting people from all over the world. I mean, I’ve met more people from like Australia in the last three months that I, that I’ve met in 25 years.

Chris Vaglio (10:24):

Like, I mean, it’s unreal, but it’s, it’s so fantastic. That’s, what’s so cool about it. So that’s a reason that’s reason. Number one is to get involved, to get involved with this because you’re going to meet people, right? You normally wouldn’t connect with people you wouldn’t meet and it’s not just here in the States, but it’s globally. So if you’re a business owner and your business is not you know, geo-targeted, geo-fenced in a way where, you know, you can do business with anybody in the world. This is a great place to meet people from all over the world of all walks of life. Number two is because it’s a, it’s an a beta stage. You have the, the ability to actually become an early adopter on an app. And listen, I know you feel like clubhouses everywhere, but I mean, when you compare it against something like Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, where there’s billions, two plus billion users on the, on a platform, clubhouse is like somewhere between like 15 and 20 million people.

Chris Vaglio (11:16):

Now, it seems like a lot, but in a grand scheme, once again, the other platforms with the billions and clubhouses and millions, it’s a great place to become an early adopter and to get involved in something that could really help you brand yourself, get your name out there, stay top of mind. And also to like, it’s great for if you’re wanting to become a public speaker or want to keep your public speaking chop sharp, you know, it’s a great forum to do that. And to also communicate your message and just be involved and get out there. And there’s no, you know, so if you’re a little afraid of like being on video and all that, it’s actually a pretty decent place for, if you’re feeling little introverted to kind of step into an arena where, you know, not everybody can kind of see you other than the little picture that you put on there. You know, nobody really sees you. It’s all, it’s all vocal, it’s all in the voice, which is pretty funny how it’s like an old school concept of like voice and, and it’s a voice centered app and how that sort of has come back full circle with as much as everything is with video video video, that it’s a voice activated, you know, forum.

Annette Naif (12:19):

Right, right. When it first started, I was jumping in, especially during the pandemic because we couldn’t do much. Right. Yeah, exactly. Just, I think that’s why it took off so much less years because we were all stuck in a pandemic and good for them. But I’m interested to see, you were talking about how many people are on it. How many people have gone on it now since the Android? So, yeah.

Chris Vaglio (12:44):

I don’t know the exact numbers yet because it’s literally just, I mean, we’re only, I mean, it’s Thursday, so I think they launched it over the week, over the last weekend. So it’s probably only been five, six days, but I know a lot of people are now like Holy cow. And so people are really coming on board, especially a lot of, you know, I know a lot of more international people are coming on because there’s a lot of Android users internationally and they’ve been coming on and, and it’s it’s been cool though, because that’s just, the thing is like getting involved in something like this on the ground floor is a great way to sort of help yourself stand out and get ahead of it. And actually you’re not, so not so much be first to market, but just, you know, be top of mind with people and, you know, you’re using something new and it’s fun.

Chris Vaglio (13:25):

It’s fun to be part of something in a community. Cause that’s what the whole basis of the app is about, is creating community, creating a culture of people that you sort of run with, you know, like like-minds, and it’s amazing how in such a short amount of time for myself, I mean, we’re doing this interview in may. I’ve been on the absence December, right? Not a long amount of time and I’ve met so many people that I’ve connected with and I’ve already created such deep, meaningful relationships with that have helped, not just myself personally, but my business. And that’s why you want to get on this app is because you want to create these relationships, which is, we all know if we’re in business, if you’re doing any, whether you’re an owner or you’re in sales or you’re a solopreneur or whatever it is, like relationships are the cornerstone of growing any business.

Annette Naif (14:11):

Yeah, for sure. I mean, that’s how I grew. My business is relationships. That’s it there’s really no replacement for it. No, it isn’t. It’s just the way it works. So yeah, you have to definitely do that. So when I was four, when I first started, I love it because if you haven’t been on it you can just, again, you don’t have to do the video thing, which is fantastic. And so sometimes like if I would wake up in the middle of the night, which I very rarely do, but on occasion during that time, I would just pop in to see like, what’s the conversations that morning, which some of them are a little sketchy. And you don’t have to, you know, you can stay silent, it comes up and they do know that you’re there, but if there’s thousands and thousands of people in the room, it doesn’t really, they don’t really see, but you can see, you know, you’re silent in the background.

Annette Naif (15:01):

You raise your hand to get up to the top, to be on the stage, so to speak, but you can silently go out of the room and pocket to another room. Yeah. That’s a style like with zoom, you can’t just like, sort of jump out because they’re going to notice that you’ve jumped out. You kind of have to say by everybody, but you have to do that with clubhouses. What I like, and again, I can be laying in bed and literally just like, you know, so yeah, I’ve done meet, I’ve done a couple gigs where I had, I was speaking and it was like eight in the morning, but it was fine because I didn’t have to get dialed up and I could just do that before I really started my day. So it was perfect.

Chris Vaglio (15:44):

Exactly. And the cool thing too, is if you’re on there, like late at night and what happens is because once again, the international audience it’s their morning or their, or their mid dag. So, you know, they’re, they’re in the full swings of their work day. So it’s a great way to like, you know, I know it’s in the middle of the night, but you do meet people and get involved in some really interesting conversations and you’ll learn a lot. And that’s the thing about clubhouses is. And even initially when I got, I did a lot more listening than I do, and I still do a lot more listening than I do talking. Cause you do learn a lot. If you, once you find the right rooms with the right people that you’re connecting with, you, you do learn a lot of information based on, you know, and whatever you’re interested in.

Chris Vaglio (16:26):

You know, I mean really there’s, there is rooms and clubs for everything. And that’s the other thing is that you can set up clubs inside of club house. So the club process is used to be manual. You used to have to wait to be approved for a club. Now it’s a self-serve thing. So I think the rule is, as long as you’ve hosted three of your own rooms, you can then create a club and you can grant and you can call it a club, whatever you want and, you know, create a summary and tell already what the club’s about. And you can be, it basically create your own community centered around whatever topic you want. It could be a business related and you could create multiple clubs. But then it’s just all about, you know, getting members moderating now, like, cause that’s it, you want to bring, you want to bring value. And that that’s for me, the, the reason why I look at it as like I, when I’m on a stage, the virtual stage and talking like my goal is to bring as much value as I can there. And that I’m talking about stuff that I’m knowledgeable about. I’m not just making a bunch of things up and pretending to be knowledgeable about certain things. It’s like I stay in my lane,

Annette Naif (17:30):

Which is, which is great. And so so is, is there a cost to use it?

Chris Vaglio (17:39):

So clubhouse is absolutely 100% free. And if you are, if someone’s offering to sell you invites or sell you to get on the app, you run away screaming. You should never ever app invites her free to get on the app is free. There’s no right now, no paid portion of this app, the only paid portion of the app. And it says it for membership or getting in is that they’ve now monetized certain profiles like my profile. And it’s only for the purpose of tipping. So say I’m running a room and all this, and I’m providing great value. If someone wanted to me, they could, or I’ve also seen people doing great, great rooms where they’re raising money for charity and they’re using it as ability to collect money for a charity. So you don’t have to go off app. And then the donations made to whatever XYZ charity that they’re, and I’ve seen so many fabulous rooms come up and do really great support for different charities or different organizations and things like that. So that’s the, but that’s it. You should never, if anybody goes, Hey, I’ve got invites and they’re charging. Yeah, no, do not pay for any invite. Don’t pay to be on the app. It’s total scammy and scammy stuff. Scammy.

Annette Naif (18:51):

We don’t like scamming. Yeah. If you

Chris Vaglio (18:54):

Ask me, I will get you on the app. I’ve got plenty of invites.

Annette Naif (18:58):

Exactly, exactly. So let’s just talk. I mean, when no we’ve been talking about how it works, but let’s just give a little bit, so this is a funny story. So one of my friends said, is this you? And she tagged me on cause I want to talk about setting up your profile. Yes. One of my friends tagged me on Facebook and said, is this you? And I looked and I’m like, yeah. And somebody, some magazine or some article or something was putting together the how to set up your profile. And they showcased me now we’re talking millions and millions of profiles. And somehow my, and I don’t even know who these people were. So it’s nobody that I knew it wasn’t my industry. I don’t know what it was, but they showcased my profile as how to set it up. And honestly, sort of it, I haven’t touched it in forever. Although I do go in whenever I’m cause they like to use the little emoji’s and that’s like, which is so funny that it starts a certain way. And then that trend just,

Chris Vaglio (20:01):

Well, emojis are actually searchable content on this app.

Annette Naif (20:05):

Yeah. Which is, so let’s talk about that. Let’s start with your profile and then like said if you can set up a room and then so I think moderating is like a huge tool. Probably I’ve had some amazing moderators, if they’re not good, let’s talk about what the moderating is too high, but there’s a lot here.

Chris Vaglio (20:26):

Yeah. No, it’s great. There’s a lot there. So so let’s just start with the profile for, so you know, like anything else, right? Like if you set up a profile on LinkedIn, like you really gotta pay attention to it. And the profile on clubhouse is not a set it and forget it thing and you really should be mindful of it. And the reason why is because this is how people find you on the app, and this is how you find others on the app that you want to follow and connect with. Because once again, the reason why you’re on clubhouse is to build community and find an and, and culturally maybe collaborate with like-minded people or follow them because you like their content and you like the way. And the only way to do that is other than finding them in a room is you can search for them.

Chris Vaglio (21:08):

So it’s important that your, your, that your profile is set up correctly. And normally the thing to pay attention to most is the first two lines of your profile, because when you’re on the app and somebody searches you, the thing, the first two things that come up are those first two lines of your profile. And then you have to tap it to see more. So that’s why it’s important to make sure that that the first two lines are kind of keyword rich, or just kind of spells out exactly what you do or who you are. I was like, for instance, my first two lines is my, as you said, it was like, and this is my statement. You know, personal writing coach, it helps create a business owners to build a rockstar brand so they can notice, feel confident, bringing more clients that’s my first top light.

Chris Vaglio (21:48):

And then it goes into like the, about me and its highlights, like, think about it as a high. And I’ve seen people do it. People have written out things and all that, you know, have fun. Would it make it, you should be an extension of who you are, your personality as the personal branding aspect, but from a quick read, people should be able to get a very good high-level idea of who you are. So that way they want to connect with you and they understand what you’re doing. So and that is the other thing is emojis are part of that and bogies. So you can go crazy with emojis, which I’ve seen. People go like way overboard with emojis. I say, you see emojis in a relevant way to describe certain things that are punctuate certain because they are considered searchable content that relate to keywords on the platform.

Chris Vaglio (22:33):

It’s like, like LinkedIn’s not, this is definitely that app. And and people have fun things. I mean, I do it too. You go in and use the fancy text editor and you do like the cool little text blocks Unicode stuff, which is fun. But, but you don’t look at other people’s profiles to, you know, get influenced, get inspired and people are constantly updating their profiles. It’s okay. It’s easy to do. It’s a living organic thing, you change things. You’re doing things now you’ve got new highlights and maybe career change or your title, whatever it is. So have fun with that. And the other thing is too, is I know this isn’t open to Android users yet. It will be. So for iPhone users, when you set your profile up, make sure you’re absolutely linking your Twitter and your Instagram account to your profile. And if you don’t have Twitter, it’s fine. Or if you don’t have Instagram, it’s fine. But definitely have one of the other, sorry, Android users right now. You don’t have the ability to do that, but it is coming from what I know. And from what I understand, so at least you’re, at least you can get on the app.

Annette Naif (23:30):

So that’s the way that people, right? So there’s no way anybody on the can’t chat. No, there’s no, there’s no

Chris Vaglio (23:40):

Internal messaging systems. So people use Instagram and Twitter as a way to you DM. So you’ll hear in the conversations like, Hey, that sounds great. DME, let’s take it offline. Or, Hey, let’s, I’m going to connect with you. I’m going to send you a DM. When they say DM, it means direct message. And it means to hit you up on your Instagram or your Twitter. And that’s why it’s important to have that. And by the way, whatever, if you have either of those, you’re going to see your accounts, like blow up. You’re going to see a lot more people falling in those accounts. So on top of that, be a little bit more mindful of the content you’re putting out there, just because you’re gonna have more eyeballs to it. So you want to make sure now you’re connecting with people on that level as well. I don’t want to, I don’t want to freak people up, but you know, it’s just the things that’s just part of business, right? I mean, it’s just be mindful of be mindful of your storefront in your lobby. It’s the same mentality,

Annette Naif (24:26):

Right? So anytime I do a, you know, I do a workshop for wedding and event planners on how to start a business. And it’s a vet planning business workshop and I do it every five or six weeks and I go in and I will update that. So because there’s a lot of planners who follow me and although I’m not as active as I, as I should be. And I’m going to try to change that up now, put that in my, put that on my schedule. But so I do go in and change it. So, you know, my podcast is on their show is on there. So I just try to update and make sure that, you know, I’m in there especially when I’m going to be, you know, to on the show or, you know, on a, in a room talking to it. So, yeah. Okay, cool. So that’s anything else you want to share on that? So I think like setting that up is important,

Chris Vaglio (25:17):

Setting it up is important. So I say, when you get on the app, if you’re invited on, I know it’s like, you just want to get into going into rooms and that’s cool. But the thing is, is once you’re in a room you just have, once again, this is like being in a networking meeting, right? Everybody’s tapping on your photo cause they want to see who’s in the room. They want to connect. Who are you? What do you do? So honestly, take the first, even just take like five minutes and at least just even do like a first pass of like, at least get your, your, your, who you are, what you do on there. Like your, even your, your, your elevator pitch kind of thing. You can go back and tighten it up later. But at least people know that like, Oh, I am an owner of this cafe. Or, Hey, I, I do event planning and I do in person and virtual events. I’m a personal branding coach. And like, just so people can understand what you do because you want to connect. Like, that’s the whole point is you do want to connect with people and then go back in and start tightening it up.

Annette Naif (26:09):

All right. And so how about followers versus who you’re following? Like, what’s the deal with the number is full for clubhouse. How does that work?

Chris Vaglio (26:19):

They’re so unlike so clubhouse, intentionally and purposefully set out to not do any kind of vanity metrics or vanity stuff. So like Twitter and Instagram have the verified check and all that. It’s a clubhouse does not do that. So, but what’s sort of happened. Is there some, like people have gotten into the vanity metrics of like, well, I’ve got a thousand followers or I’ve got, or, you know, like I only, without, I only have a thousand followers, but like other people have got like, I mean, 25, 30,000 followers, but really all that does versus versus who you follow is what it does is it helps the algorithm curate your experience on the app. So the people you follow are important because it’s, then that’s the rooms, the topics you get served in your hallway. So when you first come on to the app, that’s called the hallway and those are all the rooms.

Chris Vaglio (27:15):

You’ll see, you’ll scroll through it. And you see the room topics and sort of who’s in the room. And, and it also begins to populate with the people you’re connected to. So that way you can, it goes, Oh, well, you like what this person says or the things that they’re interested in. So therefore we’re going to give you this, these rooms, the followers you being followed, what it does is obviously it for the people who follow you, it means that like they’re interested in the content you bring, but also when you come into a room, it can help really fill the room up a bit because people are following you and they’re interested in what you have to say. So they get notifications. So like when I’m speaking, they’ll get like Chris vaguely was speaking at a room and maybe they’re going to want to check it out.

Chris Vaglio (27:55):

Or if I ping them into a room, which means I’m asking them to come into a room to check it out, they, it gives me the ability to maybe ping more people in through because I’m connected to more people. So it’s just one of those things. And you got to look at it as like, it’s more about having a curated experience. I know some people and it does. It’s the algorithms like a little weird and people there’s rooms about the algorithm on there. Like, how does it work? How does it really work and all these things. And, you know, it’s like, listen, I say, it’s not focused on building a community like any other I’m focused on building a community focused on, on surrounding yourself with the people you want to be connected to. Don’t get wrapped up into the numbers game. It’s not about that. It’s about creating a really strong community. You know, if you have a hundred awesome people you’re connected with, and you’re all talking to each other and supporting each other and referring each other, that’s all you really need. But if you really want to have like these wide reaching rooms and because you have this, like whatever it is you’re doing then yeah. I mean, you want to get as a lot of followers, things like that, but really I would concentrate on quality versus quantity.

Annette Naif (28:59):

It doesn’t matter if I have 5,000 people I’m following and only 300 are following me. Cause you know how sometimes that doesn’t work when your Instagram or Twitter or any of that stuff. So that doesn’t really work. Just a matter of I’m going to get a better fee hallway with people that I’m following.

Chris Vaglio (29:17):

Exactly. I mean, listen, more people like I’ll put it to you this way. If you really, really, if your goal is to become a serious influence on clubhouse, then yeah. You’d want her to have a really strong following because the thing is that people want you in their rooms because it means they feel like you’re going to bring this strong following into their room. And that’s the Mo and that’s the moderator level. And you get this little green dot and that’s the other quote, unquote status of having the green dot onstage, which I get it. And you know, it elevates you, but really what the It just says, Hey, I’m a moderator. And all it does is give you control of the room. It lets you open and close room and let you bring people up on stage or put them back down on a stage.

Chris Vaglio (29:57):

And you know, I always believe what the founders say, Paul and Rojas. They’re on, they do a town hall every Sunday at 12:00 PM Eastern. And they say all the time, like they laugh all the time about the moderator thing, because it’s really used people use it a lot as a badge of look at me at the end of the day, it just serves the function of controlling the room of opening, closing, and bringing people down and bringing them up. And you know, they always say, listen, I think people are crazy for giving away as many moderator badge as they do, like really should be one, two moderators in a room with that badge power. And that’s it because you don’t want to lose control of the room. And when you have thousands of people, sometimes in a room you don’t want like 20 other people having that moderator control. Yeah.

Annette Naif (30:40):

Yeah. I also yeah, cause it gets a little, it can get a little crazy. Somebody that’s like using this moderating tool or as a job now, like they’re getting moderate and they’re like the expert. I think that’s interesting. Cause there is isn’t, you know, someone moderated a, a room for me and she was fantastic. Like, I mean, she was great. Like when you’re dense, there’s kind of like little rules. So when you’re done, you’re like, I’m done speaking. There’s like, you want to clap? You, you,

Chris Vaglio (31:14):

Yeah. There’s little things like Edie app rate creates a culture around it. So clubhouse is no different. And you’re just to say what you’re saying about the moderator role. So yes, there is been a business that is sprung up, but being, but listen a good moderator when you have a serious topic and it’s going to draw a lot of people into a room and we’re talking thousands of people because I’ve been in rooms where I think the rooms max, max out at 8,000 people and I’ve been in those rooms. You have to have someone who can really be a very good moderator and control a room. Well, so they’re asking the questions, they’re being very mindful of the audience and you have a moderator, you have Komatsu, people like that. So there is a lot of work around that and, and quality moderators do bring value and they should be paid for that work because like anything else, like you should be paid because you’re bringing value to something. And if you’re having a room and it’s, it’s, you know, doing whatever you want it to do about a certain topic or helping your business and you know, it’s, it’s having a good moderator really goes a long way. And I agree. I mean, those people should be paid.

Annette Naif (32:17):

Yeah, exactly. So you have like, you can create a club, but you have to create a club. You can create just a room so you can just start.

Chris Vaglio (32:26):

Yeah. You can just go on. Anybody can start a room, right? I’m going to say that again. Anybody, as long as you’re on the clubhouse app could start a room. It does not cost money to start a room. You don’t have to verified. You could, it does not matter. Starting with, if you have something to talk about, start a room you could have a room with two people and that’s fine. If you just want to have a conversation about, Hey, I just watched the newest episode of the bad batch on Disney plus. And I want to talk about it with somebody. Well, there you go. That’s your topic of the room. Want to talk about bad batch with somebody,

Annette Naif (33:02):

You and I were on a a networking group together of your networking group together. And you were, you got on it. Remember you got on to show our networking group, how it works. And like 30 people jumped in with you and you were like, sorry guys, I’m just telling this that it was kind of funny. So yeah.

Chris Vaglio (33:20):

Yeah, it is because that’s what happens is when you go on, like people do get notified that, Oh, if they’re following me because you can follow people specifically. So on top of following them, there’s like a little bell. So you can get notified that way. When they know that if they like what I provide, then they’ll get notified when I opened a room. So that’s what happens. Sometimes you open a room and people just jump in and you know, because they’re like Chris opened the room, but like, that’s why, you know, if you want to have a specific topic you want to talk about, I’ve seen people do really funny things like, Hey, I’m shopping at the grocery store and I’m really bored. I’m walking around. It’s like,

Annette Naif (33:56):


Chris Vaglio (33:56):

Hilarious. I mean, people have so much fun.

Annette Naif (33:58):

I know. Is there a specific way you should title the room?

Chris Vaglio (34:03):

So topics are, are key. So once again, it depends on your audience, right? Who, from a business standpoint, who are you looking to attract into the room? So you want her, then if you’re really looking to, you know, the title, this is growing your business. So if you’re really looking to attract potential clients or prospects or other people to network with, you want to make sure that there’s a little purpose and thought put into the title of the room. It doesn’t have to be overly complicated, but you know, what’s Hawk something that hooks, you know, people will have fun with, with room titles and they’ll use a, you know, a couple of emojis here and there. I’ve seen, like I was talking about the Unicode, which is, you know, fancy text editor. I see people use titles of rooms like that because it’s like, anything else, you know, Ooh, this looks interesting. Let me stop scrolling and go hop into that room. And it’s not like a long, long day.

Annette Naif (34:54):

Like for example, I’ve been wanting to start one that’s like ABC of event planning or event, something like that. So that’s for people who are starting to, you know, or you know, just starting your event business or something like that. So if you want to get it short and to the point, so they understand what it’s about. Exactly. They’ll be interested in if I followed. So for example, if I followed a bunch of event planners, is there a way for me to get them to follow me back?

Chris Vaglio (35:24):

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there’s lots of ways you can get them to follow you back. So if you’re following up one way is to connect with them inside of a room. So when they start a room, go to a room they’re in, and if they’re to jump up on stage, you know, introduce yourself, like be part of the topic that they’re talking about and then provide value. Cause that’s a great way. And sometimes people will just fall everybody in the room cause they want to be connected. Another way is if they have an Instagram if they’re connected, seriously, hit them up on the DM and just go, Hey, I heard you on stage today. Really love the topic. We’d love to connect and then connect with them that way. You know, once again, it’s like follow up, see if you can take it past clubhouse and even onto like LinkedIn, you know, or somewhere else where you can get to that point of like doing a one-to-one

Annette Naif (36:09):

Or a phone call with somebody to say, Hey, I saw you’re on clubhouse. I’m over there too. I just connected with you love for you to connect, but let’s connect at clubhouse and you know yeah, yeah,

Chris Vaglio (36:21):

Yeah. Simple like that. And you know, but I always love the yeah. If there’s somebody really want to connect with like jumping in a room with them and talk.

Annette Naif (36:29):

Yeah. Seriously. Yeah, exactly. All right. So let’s talk about, we touched a little bit on this, but because this is all about growing your business, as you said, how can I use it to grow my business? So what’s some ideas.

Chris Vaglio (36:43):

So once again let’s put some of the things together. So having your, your bio, your about us on your profile, making sure that that is ready to go attracting, you know, the, the people you want to be attracted to that who’s your target audience at the end of the day. So just understanding that. So making sure that that is, you know, rich with the keywords that people like, and don’t like, make it just sound like, like a, like a, just a soulless like keyword search thing. Like it should still sound like you, but, but, but keep that in mind and then try to connect with like-minded people or people that could be, you know, potential clients for you, you know, connect with them and jump into rooms where they’re hanging out. You know, if you want to meet people and get a gist, this is if you’re not ready to start talking just yet.

Chris Vaglio (37:31):

So, you know, get into the flow of things, get into, you know, hang out where they’re hanging out. Then if you’re feeling ready to go, which I say the best way to do is just rip that bandaid off and start going open up a room and make it a topic that can be relevant to your target audience and start talking about that. And honestly, don’t be upset if no one shows up right away or you get two people to show up because that’s just like anything, just start doing it. And if you’re going to start doing a room, make it regular or test out the days, but like anything else, frequency and consistency is key. So if your room is Tuesdays at 2:00 PM, do three rooms at Tuesday at 2:00 PM to see if people come in, if not, then maybe think about switching up the time, but just begin to build consistency.

Chris Vaglio (38:19):

So then that way you can begin to now build an audience on the app. People who follow, you know, that you’re doing a room and it relevant content to them, and then you can promote it off app. You know, you go on LinkedIn, promote it. You’re doing this room. Or this club, you know, many of the business owners, I’m friends with friendly have started off that way. They started creating rooms, getting consistency. Then they built the club and then the club, they invited people that they were connected with, who all share same ideas and helping each other out. And then obviously target audience, things like that. And then they’re running out regular rooms under that club. So now you’re branding your marketing yourself, and then, you know, it’s up to you. What, while you’re up there, I would tell you that I would shy away from the pitchy salesy type stuff.

Chris Vaglio (39:01):

And I would, I would focus on providing valuable content. Not saying don’t not have a call to action because it’s, you can easily say, Hey dah, dah, dah. And if you think this is relevant, you know, I’d love for you to connect with me on LinkedIn or go here, or you can go to my, my website and download my free guide. If you go to my payroll profile, you’ll see, you know, rocket So head over there and you can download my personal branding checklist. Like you can do things like that. Just don’t make it all like, and this is my point of view, by the way. So not everybody subscribes to my, to my point of view, but I say, provide focus on content and PR and being of service and sharing information and being the knowledgeable resource in your network, the go-to person, and then have your called action rather than focus on like salad, serving versus serving over selling

Annette Naif (39:51):

That’s across every platform. I a hundred percent agree. And I agree. And I think most people agree with that. You don’t want to, you know,

Chris Vaglio (40:00):

Most people do, but it gotta be careful like any platform there’s pitfalls and not everybody listen like anything else. Right. It’s easy for me to create an Instagram account, take a bunch of like awesome pictures with some flashy cars and flash somebody around all of it, which probably isn’t true, but buy into like, you know, Hey, my nine figure, program’s going to be the thing that’s going to, whatever their snake oil salesman everywhere. So all I say is just, you know, don’t be afraid to ask questions. Don’t be afraid to do your research and don’t believe not everybody is always who they say they are. That’s all.

Annette Naif (40:37):

Yeah. Tell me you got it.

Chris Vaglio (40:41):

Just cause they have thousands of people in their room doesn’t necessarily mean that the person on stage is legit in a way. That’s all I got to say.

Annette Naif (40:50):

Yeah, no, it’s, it’s true for sure. Be careful with anything. So okay. But you talked about, you mentioned times to do like a room or their best times bad times. What’s the, I know it’s hard to know.

Chris Vaglio (41:05):

Yes. It is hard to know because you really got it. You got to experiment, you know, it’s like anything else you’ve got to see, like when I’m doing these times, like how many people are coming in? Am I getting more people? Am I getting traction? But again, anything you got to give it a little time. You got to build audience. Like, just because you build it doesn’t mean they’re going to come. Like you gotta take some time to, to, to build the audience, try different topics, try retitling your room just before you give up on it, because it’s like, you just don’t know what it could actually be. And it’s, you know, like you just want to experiment. I mean, I will say, I think sometimes early morning rooms seem to do pretty good just cause, you know, I think it depends on your client.

Chris Vaglio (41:42):

Who do you want in that room? You know, lunchtime, there’s a lot of competition for lunchtime rooms. I’ve been running rooms on lunchtime and there’s a lot of competition there. You know, I mean, but you know, you gotta think about your coast, right? East coast, West coast people it’s like nine o’clock in the morning for them. So it’s like, they’re just got to starting their day and, or potentially, you know, so it’s, you do have to keep that in mind, you know, evening rooms are usually pretty good, but depends on the subjects. Like what are you doing? Like there seems to be some more fun rooms at night, but it’s just different topics. You know, people, people create all kinds of topics on things. There’s there’s game shows. There’s some people have some really, I gotta tell you, there are some amazingly creative people on that app that blow me away. Blow me away. Unreal. So yeah, I just say you got to experiment and don’t just be ready. So throw in the towel. Because like you did your room twice and like four people showed up, like give it a little time.

Annette Naif (42:39):

Yeah. Well that’s just like anything. I mean, even when on this show, five or six people, 10 people are on, but when we posted back out, I get thousands of people that view it. Right. Exactly. You’d never know. You never, you never know. You never know. Okay, good. So you mentioned, how can you use you mentioned LinkedIn, but how can you use LinkedIn and clubhouse? How does that

Chris Vaglio (43:01):

It’s a great, great question. So using LinkedIn is really cool with clubhouse because basically what you could do is you could promote an event and you could promote a room on clubhouse. That’s a really great way to get people from, from LinkedIn and be like, Oh, that topic is of interest to me. People in your network, you can create use LinkedIn events as a way to get people to come into your room. So link create a LinkedIn event for your room or topic, invite the people in your network, put the link in there, make it really easy. And then that way hopefully they come in. So that’s one way, another way too, to promote LinkedIn, which is kind of cool is a lot of times we’re in a room and we get the room like a little full, we take a screenshot and repost it on LinkedIn.

Chris Vaglio (43:41):

And we, we tag everybody who’s in the room, we’ll write a little blurb and we say, Hey connect with everybody in this room. Or if you’re in this room, like write a blade, it’s just a great way to keep networking and top of mind. But you know, it’s all about like meeting people on the app, taking it off app, connecting on LinkedIn and then really beginning to build that relationship. Like take it to the next step. You know, as our friend, our mutual friend, Joe Applebaum from Ajax union says all the time, the fortunes and the follow-up, they couldn’t be any more right when he says that. And those are words to live by as a mantra, the fortune is in the follow-up. So is LinkedIn to leverage that.

Annette Naif (44:18):

Yeah. That’s with everything I tell my my planners to say like the guys gotta follow up and everything because

Chris Vaglio (44:26):

Give you a quick hack too quick, a quick, quick hack for and I learned this from Joe and thank God, cause Joe’s great. So this is a little personal branding tip here. So when you’re on, so when you’re on clubhouse, because it’s a voice app, but right now the only two accounts you can connect to LinkedIn or Twitter and Instagram, you cannot have a connection to LinkedIn in S like how you can do with that. So while you want people to connect with you on LinkedIn, a lot of times it’s like LinkedIn, my name, all that stuff, if you can get by your personalized URL. So for instance, because it’s a voice app, you want something that’s very memorable. Something that people can remember. So mine is so I’ll say, Hey everybody, and thanks and connect with me on LinkedIn, Chris, just connect with And then that way we can connect on LinkedIn. Why? Because it’s more memorable from a vocal standpoint. And so when they go to Chris,, it forwards them right to my LinkedIn page. So I encourage you to, it’s a great personal branding tool, and it’s a great tool for use on clubhouse to be able to get people, to connect with you on LinkedIn. So get your personalized URL and use that. Yes. And that has one

Annette Naif (45:35):

Net So he told me about a long time ago.

Chris Vaglio (45:40):

Yeah. And it’s such a great way. It’s so much more memorable and on an app like that, where it’s voice-based and you can’t have the click, the button to get there, make it memorable, make it easy.

Annette Naif (45:51):

Yup. Yup. Awesome. Such good stuff. Good stuff. Okay. So so I know you talked a lot about this, but is it just businesses and marketers on there? It’s everybody’s on there, right?

Chris Vaglio (46:05):

No. And that’s the thing I’ve been asked a lot like, Oh, I don’t know if I want to get on it. It’s just business and marketers and people trying to sell your stuff, but it’s like, yes, yes, there are rooms where there are people trying to sell you stuff like flat out lost going alive, but it is not the majority of the rooms. It is not. And it’s also what you make it. You know, you can get onto that. The whole cool thing about that app is you have the power to create a community. You do, everybody does, everybody can create a community. Anybody can create a community on anything. So don’t worry about the other stuff going on, worrying about yourself and finding your own people.

Annette Naif (46:43):

But business, you don’t have business to be on,

Chris Vaglio (46:46):

Have a business. You, if you’re wanting to start a business, it’s a great place to meet people, learn how to start a business. Or if you’re looking to make a career change, great place to network and meet people and get tips on, you know, resume writing or, you know, finding your potential next employer, or just hearing stories that the great place to do a lot of research.

Annette Naif (47:03):

Yeah. So much. Yeah. There’s so many great things. So I know that I have this workshop that I do. And last time I ran it we have a question when they join the Facebook group is how did you get to us? And many of them had said clubhouse, because I don’t know if it was you or somebody else who had referred. Like they was a room that was open and someone must’ve asked like, event planning or it was, and that person said, go check out a net natives workshop. She’s doing this workshop right now. And I got like 15 people that joined me all of a sudden, then they were all from clubhouse. So you just, you never know, you just gotta be up there and all the channels, you know,

Chris Vaglio (47:44):

You got to try it. You just got to try and lean into it a little bit and give it a chance. And I know it feels like, Oh my God, it’s something else. But really once again, if your audience, the people you want to do business with are hanging out in a spot where you got, you got to get out there, you got to do it. You can’t cry that I can’t meet anybody. There’s no one around me. Sorry.

Annette Naif (48:03):

Right. Also, if you’re afraid of video is a perfect channel to just 100%, a hundred percent. If you’re afraid of video, I highly suggest you head on over to clubhouse. We have no affiliation with them, but people ask me all the time is like, what do I do with clubhouse? And they want to know. So and my group, actually, we are, you know, my feed is going into live into my Facebook group so they can all hear this. So awesome to all of you on my Facebook group. I love so much. You’re awesome. So and so one last thing, because we are coming down and this just isn’t you and I can talk forever as you. I, okay. So w we can’t record any of this, right? Like when you’re on clubhouse, is it recorded? Can you record it?

Chris Vaglio (48:55):

You cannot record a room on clubhouse without everybody’s permission in a group. So if you do look in the terms and conditions, because if that’s something that you’re very wary about, then yes, please read through the terms and conditions because you should they do keep temporary recordings of rooms, because they’re trying to monitor for obvious reasons, any kind of crazy hate speech discrimination, people being completely inappropriate. And so they are monitoring frat and they do keep it for a certain amount of time, just in case there’s reports. And they have, like, people are saying, Hey, this person has imported acting away. And they have proof of that person was acting this way. And they were very inappropriate and being saying things that are just not people shouldn’t say to each other that being the case, they do say that they delete those recordings.

Chris Vaglio (49:44):

If you’re in a room and they are recording and they didn’t tell you, they should be reported because they’re supposed to tell you now, but most people on the app, actually, a majority of the people I know when they’re recording a room, it will be in their title and you’ll see it a little red dot. They’ll actually put it in the title, the red dot recording. So that way you clearly know that that room you’re going into is being recorded for a podcast purpose. And while you’re in the room, they will tell you multiple times that you’re, that this room is being recorded. And what they’ll do is you’re listening into an interview or a round table discussion, and you’ll just stay in the audience until maybe they go, okay, now we’re going to take questions from the audience and they’ll bring it up. And they’ll say, once again, this is being recorded for a podcast or whatever. So that’s the only time that it is being recorded is when you’re being told that it’s being recorded. And the other end is just strictly for purposes of security. And, you know,

Annette Naif (50:41):

So you, as a, like if I set up a room, I can’t record myself. Is that correct?

Chris Vaglio (50:47):

You could record yourself if you wanted to, but have other people go into that room. You can’t do that unless you’ve told them. And they’ve said, okay, that’s great. You can record me. Like you have to get everybody’s permission in that room. That that’s okay. If you just went into that room by yourself and record it and hit record. Yeah. Fine.

Annette Naif (51:05):

For any record from clubhouse, from the clubhouse app.

Chris Vaglio (51:09):

No, there’s no recording feature in a clubhouse app. You have to use a third party, a recorder, or like green screen recorder or something. Or if you have like more sophisticated recording equipment, but yeah. There’s actually no record feature built into the app.

Annette Naif (51:24):

Right. That’s what I saying like that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I had another question. Oh, so let’s just talk real quick about when you get in. Cause it’s we got to go, but when you get into the room, just how that whole roof thing works. So you get in the room and there’s three different levels. So first level that you join, if you are so talk about that. Like what level?

Chris Vaglio (51:45):

Okay. Yeah. So there’s three levels. So when you first go into a room, you’ll see that there’s the first level of top is the speaker level. Right. And those are the people speaking. You’ll see them. You’ll see the little green, you’ll see the ring blinking. As they’re speaking, there’s a little microphone that’s on and off from you. The second level are then people followed by the speakers. So that means that someone in there is following those people. And then a third level are, are also audience members. So those bottom two levels, they don’t have any speaking ability unless the, the top level, the moderators bring them up on stage to talk. So there’s followed by speakers. And then there’s just people in the audience that aren’t necessarily followed by the speaker. So it just creates this like, Oh, so if you’re wanting to connect like, Oh, who are the speakers following? It just makes those person maybe a little more interested. It makes them stand out because you’re like, well, maybe they have content or value that I may find. Interesting. Yeah.

Annette Naif (52:34):

Yeah. So like you’re speaking and I come on because I’m connected to you. I automatically go to the second level. That’s correct. Right. So I automated the second level. If I’m not following anyone, that’s a speaker I’m in the bottom level. And the only way they can bring you up to the, to the stage, which I think is kind of nice because all of a sudden, you can’t just surprise me and Brittany on. And I will allow, they ask permission and I have to accept it to go to the stage, my hands, a little button at the bottom that you can just play. It’s like a head raise it and they can bring you on stage. So you come into it. You don’t automatically get jumped on stage if you don’t want to. So you can just secretly like silently leave. Isn’t that?

Chris Vaglio (53:22):

Yeah, it says leave. It says leave quietly. So there’s, there’s, there’s, there’s four buttons on the bottom of the app. One is a big button that says leave quietly. The other one is it’s a little plus sign and you’d hit that to ping friends. People you’re connected to in the room. And then there’s a little raise your hand button and that rate, and you hit that and it raises your hand. And it sends a notification to the moderators on stage that I’d like to come up on stage. And when you get up on stage, the protocol is you immediately hit the mute button. So that way you’re muted. And you’re not talking over anybody. You don’t hear any weird background noise until you’re kind of called on. So they’ll say, all right, and if it’s good moderator room full, they’ll call you by name.

Chris Vaglio (54:00):

Cause they keep it in order. There’s a function I never called PTR pull to release and it sort of sets the ads. We’re going to go deep level stuff now. But but just so you know, like if you’re brought up on stage and there’s a lot of people that the best I can say etiquette is hit the mute button until you, until it’s your turn to talk. Because that way you’re not you know, you’re not being disrespectful to other people talking and there’s no background noise and things like that. So that’s, that’s one piece of etiquette and yes, in the whole thing I go and I’m finished speaking. The reason for that is because we’re trying to be inclusive and help our friends who are reading captions. And so there’s the, the accessibility option of, of clubhouse. So for people that read captions, they can keep track of saying, who’s talking. So you say, Hey, this is Chris dah, and then you go and I’ve done speaking. So that way they know that you’re, you’re done speaking for accessibility. That’s why we,

Annette Naif (54:49):

Yeah. Yeah. That’s nice. That’s nice. And then I guess if you, and also you can press the mute on and off for like

Chris Vaglio (54:56):

The clapping. Yeah. It’s the clubhouse applause is popping the microphone.

Annette Naif (55:00):

It’s that light. It’s so cute. Awesome, awesome. Awesome. I know I’m going to definitely have to you and I have to do a, I have to do a room. I think it will be fun. Oh my God. That’d be great. Thank you so much. My dear. I’m so happy that you joined me and do this with me and hopefully we shared some you know, great tips for people to get on clubhouse and we’ll make sure you’re joining you connect with Chris over there and myself. And so how else can everybody find you? I know this. Yeah.

Chris Vaglio (55:32):

Yeah. So at the top here, I posted a campsite that bio a link, which is a, which is a link to all my links on there. I am currently in the throws of doing a free coaching. I’m giving away free coaching until June 7th. So if if you don’t click that link, you can go to R I G a That’s Riga coaching, IGA And you can set up a free one hour coaching session with me.

Annette Naif (55:57):

That’s awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much, my dear.

Chris Vaglio (56:01):

Thank you. I really appreciate it. This was awesome. Thanks for having me. Thanks for everybody who was watching live and thanks. Everybody’s going to watch the replay, right?

Annette Naif (56:09):

All right. You guys, thanks so much. I’ll see you next week. Take care. Bye.

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